Imperialism

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upgrades are completed to the Satellites. They now are equipped with the most advanced targeting computers in the known universe. They can kill a fly in downtown Moscow without hitting anything else. They can also destroy large cities in one fully charged blast. A blast so powerful, not even tunneling 75 feet under the Earth will save you.

The French Communists, being smart about it, ensure they are not fired on by Americans nor are they doing anything to provoke them. ICC aid is secured and Russia and Germany dispatch teams of urban warfare and antiterror special forces to wipe out Nationalists, striving to keep civilian casualties to a minimum. Russia's elite forces make brilliant use of the sniper rifle, rivaling that of the renowned Brazilians.

Russia sends up several satellites, apparently for weather forecasting purposes. A few ground installations are also set up, in the Soviet Union as well as their satellite and allied nations.

(That is absolutely untrue! The French Nationalists excuted your French Communists for two reasons; they were aiding illegal immigrants (ICC operatives) and they were declaring starting a bloody, unpopular, and absolutely revolution with violence. In other words, they were executed for the crime of murder.)

Brazil launches peace-keeping troops into France, and resecure the news from the communists, who murdered everyone in the news rooms to take it over. Rather than run propaganda, all French Channels display the media holocaust left by the communists, and ask for national prayer.

Meanwhile, China and India declare themselves to be the surperior communist states, and their state partis launch a colective communist revolution, against the communists! Enjoy, my friend.

(P.S. 98% of civilians are nationalist, so those that have guns fire on any communist murderers they see.)

Brazilian Snipers kill communist snipers, with a 5-1 succes ratio. The original snipers are national heros and those that can be convinced to do so remain at home; if anything their disciples are even better, though, and already two of the original snipers are martyrs, as they left to fight for Brazil, against Imperial requests.

Brazil intervenes to save civilians from communist genocide. (why kill 98% percent of the people, for 2% of the country?)
Rhetoric is heavy, and true.

Brazil declares that the Chinese and Indian rebellion is founded on good principles, as they have been less of genocidal than the other communists, but otherwise remains neutral.

Brazil draws American attention to the satelites.

Cyclones WINNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suck it Oklahoma!!!

American space defense weaponry is activated and traind on the Russian satellites as a precaution. The US requests that Russia allow American scientists be allowed to look at one of the satellites up close so they may comfirm they are what Russia claims they are and ensure they are not a threat to American security.

President WIN wrote:(That is absolutely untrue! The French Nationalists excuted your French Communists for two reasons; they were aiding illegal immigrants (ICC operatives) and they were declaring starting a bloody, unpopular, and absolutely revolution with violence. In other words, they were executed for the crime of murder.)

Brazil launches peace-keeping troops into France, and resecure the news from the communists, who murdered everyone in the news rooms to take it over. Rather than run propaganda, all French Channels display the media holocaust left by the communists, and ask for national prayer.

Meanwhile, China and India declare themselves to be the surperior communist states, and their state partis launch a colective communist revolution, against the communists! Enjoy, my friend.

[For God's sake, Trey, what part of this is hard for you to understand? I am the DM, and by extension I control NPC states. Not you. The one and only thing you can directly control is Brazil and her territories; outside of that you may influence but no more. You may NOT control the ISR, you may NOT control the PRC, and you may NOT control the French Commies. Figure out some way to achieve your aims without blatantly ignoring the rules of the thread.]

The French Communists, who had done no such thing (they wanted a peaceful government change, not the revolution) counter accuse (truthfully) the Nationalists of committing the first acts of violence, in shooting leaders in the Communist Party. The ICC advisers to the Communist government were perfectly legal, by the way.

Russian and German forces run into Brazilian troops, who are specifically equipped to fight other armies, and temporarily forced to retreat (as they were special forces trained for anti-terror and such). Soviet and German task forces begin moving across the border to fight the Imperial Army and enforce France's independence.

China and India do no such thing. China's Chairman Zhe is too acutely aware of his country's economic dependence on the Soviets, plus he believes firmly that disunity among the Communist nations caused its downfall in the 20th century. India's still too insignificant to do much at all anyway.

Russian snipers, fast-learning, are able to bring their ratio to about 1-1.5 but can't close the gap as Brazil came in force (which the Soviets assumed they wouldn't do).

The significant Communist support base (in actuality about 60% of the populace) is filled with general hatred toward Brazilian forces and the Nationalists who started the war but this amounts to generally nothing.

Sarov (half-)jokingly states that the satellites are only a threat to Brazilian security. He allow the Americans enough access to see that they have no weaponry for ground-attack purposes.

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[For God's sake, Trey, what part of this is hard for you to understand? I am the DM, and by extension I control NPC states. Not you. The one and only thing you can directly control is Brazil and her territories; outside of that you may influence but no more. You may NOT control the ISR, you may NOT control the PRC, and you may NOT control the French Commies. Figure out some way to achieve your aims without blatantly ignoring the rules of the thread.]

The French Communists, who had done no such thing (they wanted a peaceful government change, not the revolution) counter accuse (truthfully) the Nationalists of committing the first acts of violence, in shooting leaders in the Communist Party. The ICC advisers to the Communist government were perfectly legal, by the way.

China and India do no such thing. China's Chairman Zhe is too acutely aware of his country's economic dependence on the Soviets, plus he believes firmly that disunity among the Communist nations caused its downfall in the 20th century. India's still too insignificant to do much at all anyway.

The significant Communist support base (in actuality about 60% of the populace) is filled with general hatred toward Brazilian forces and the Nationalists who started the war but this amounts to generally nothing.

Take your own advice, the video was awesome, but more applicable to you.

1. In case you haven't noticed, France isn't an NPC. It's a state of Brazil. I realize I made that mistake with Germany, but it was a mistake when I did it, and it's a mistake when you do it.

2. The French communists were exceuted lawfully, by lethal injection. The ICC operatives were not premitted to enter France by the French Nationalist majority (95%) of the people. Hence, they were illegal immigrants, and the Commies were human traffickers. It was not an act of violence, nor was it directed at the whole of the French Communist party.

3. Let me couch this in the lanuguage you seem to approving of right now: (if France is in rebellion) Chairman Zhe is overthrown by Chariman Hu, who leads the (60%?) majority of communists who believe China can whoop Russia while its busy intervening in France, and because they believe Russia and Germany are bigger threats to communism than Brazil is, considering Emperor de Silva had just made peaceful overtures to the French communists. India follows China's lead, because it is, after all, china's parking lot right now.

[played the video as my grandmother walked behind me. can you say extreme awkwardness?!?!?!]

The US sends forces to Britain, while sending Green Berets into France to evac the remaining American personnel and French civilians. They are clearly American Special Forces, so any nation that fires on them will face the wrath of the US. They are fully armed in case they are engaged and will not fire on others unless fired upon.

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(my sympathies to your grandmother. I hope she's a cyclones fan, or else she's having a terrible weekend.)

Can you specify which French Civilians you're evacuating? It seems to me that most citizens would want to stay and fight the communists, but you can take the ones that don't.

The French Nationalists order their troops not to fire on Americans with ironic senses of style.

Brazil overhears the above message, and Brazilian troops, who also do not fire on Americans, are hopelessly confused.

The US is evacuating the civilians that want to be evacuated. Those with guns are left alone unless they fire upon my my troops, in which case they are declared hostile and dealt with accordingly.

And yes, she is cyclones fan

[Nationalist France is a state of Brazil. Communist France is independent, and as such an NPC. It's a bit confusing because they both claim to be the government of France. Also, the public opinion of France (and technically all countries, but I don't like to mess with it to be accused of DM-fudging the war, 'specially since I've been involved in both wars so it generally looks bad) is, functionally, an NPC.]

[I'm pretty sure nobody cares that the acts of violence (which they pretty much are considered by the 60% Communist majority) weren't targeted against the whole Party. Try killing the President and saying it's not against the whole country.]

[You again seem confused as to who is DMing. You can't just spawn rebel factions in other countries. You may instigate them, but you do so AS BRAZIL. Not as the DM. And the chances of that succeeding are dismally low anyway, since Sarov likes having Zhe in power, and Zhe is backed by the PLA. To say nothing of the nature of the Chinese people. It's not revolutionary in the least.]

[That and Russia can still butt-rape China.]

The DDR and USSR have arrived in force in France and are driving Brazil out of the country, aided when possible by French Communists. The FCs consider tactical use of nuclear weapons but Sarov and Richter manage to dissuade them.

A flight of medical choppers goes missing behind Russian lines. The US is outraged and demands an explanation. If Russia has fired on an American MEDICAL flight, the US will be so pissed at Russia that it wont end well.

The Soviet Union knows nothing about it. They assume it's an accident of some kind. Sarov, suspecting a manufactured incident, discreetly advises his military to be on guard for a potential American offensive from either side.

The Red Army continues to beat the Brazilians back into Spain. Any relief supplies en route from Brazil are attacked by the massive air and naval bases in Cuba, forcing the Brazilians to fight only with what they have in Europe. German anti-terror specialists begin systematically eradicating the relatively disorganized Nationalist French.

(Oh, excuse me, so you could take public opinion in the U.S. away from Alex and decide that suddenly they all want to bow down to Russian overlords? Or decide that the concensus in Brazil is that everyone should commit suicide? Yeah, that sounds pretty bad.

How do you know what the public thinks any better than we do? You most certainly don't have a degree in poli sci, or anything for that matter. If you choose to ignore the NUMEROUS points I've made for why there would be a 95% Nationalist Majority, including the fact that de Silva was happy to talk to the French Communists, and that you are a hostile foreign power, who basically wants to do to France exactly the SAME THING BRAZIL DID, I will use tactical nukes, because that seems to be the one thing any of us can be sure that you will not suddenly take away from us. Fair enough?

As Alex, surprisingly astutely, commented, a DM of an Imperialism roleplay should not be in control of a country, as he inevitably makes decisions based on his conflicted interest. This is what has happened here, whether you admit it or not.)

(P.S. you claim Communist France exists, I claim it doesn't. I claim there is a communist extremist faction in China, you claim there isn't. It's actually not confusing in the least. Because you're the DM here, you choose what exists and what doesn't. And again, whether you realize it or not, having communist France exist, while communist extremist China doesn't is heavily favorable to you, and not really realistic.

Also, you're puppeteering the 95% of the population when you say Nationalist France is disorganized, so I'm betting we really don't have any say at all in what happens right?)

Point A: While I, in theory, could do that, I don't. Why? I adhere to realism. You may also notice that I've been avoiding influencing public opinion in Brazil and America simply because of the complications it brings up. I've only actively played on it when it's had a significant bearing on things.

Point B: I suppose you do have a degree in poli sci? The reasons for Communist popularity are simple: the French want independence and the Commies are willing to give it to them.

Point C: The Soviets and Germans are far from hostile; in fact, they're helping liberate France, from the point of view of the French public.

Point D: Wrong. The ICC is not an empire, it's a coalition. Each member state is allowed to do its own thing. The Korean invasion of Burma is an example; it was neither helped nor started by China or Russia.

Point E: Nukes? Bring it on, bucko, the ICC's got a metric fuckton of 'em with your name on 'em.

Point F: I was, at first, working for Russia's betterment, as I was playing as them. Since donning the mantle of DM, I've been effectively playing all the NPCs. All of 'em. And each one does happen to work for their own interests, whether you like them or not. Russia's extremely powerful and they're using it to get their way. Don't like it? Start the Second Cold War and quit bitching to me. I'm not going to stop Russia from doing what I think it would do in real life just because you don't like it.

Point A: You have already deviated from realism, and you know you don't influence public opinion in America and Brazil because that would really screw with the whole idea of the roleplay, namely, player control of countries.

Point B: My point is not that I'm better than you, it is that you AREN'T better than us. You also have yet to address what I said earlier, and sent to you via PM about why the Majority of France wanting independence DOES NOT make sense. Not even on principle; which was your claim.

Point C: Russians and Germans are a VERY hostile expansionist power, and it is because of them that France LOST independence in the first place, and had to be saved by Brazil, or don't you remember? France is happy as a state.

Point D: You are mistaken if you think the Brazilian Empire, or the U.S.A. is any less of a coalition. Emperor de Silva, like Caesar before him, retains his power because people like him, and he lets the Brazilian States do their own thing. Also, to your "example" a Korean invasion of Burma would most certainly have pissed off the Chinese, and caused an international incident, unless the whole ICC was being controlled by one central authority.

Point E: Bingo

Point F: I have no problem with Russia's actions; THEY make sense, given its position. It is French indpendence that makes no sense, considering it is in their best interest to remain Brazilian states. They have self government, they have opposition parties, they have free will within their borders. What the F more do they want? They have the same rights as all ICC countries, and you know that it's a bitchy call to make based on semantics.

Point A: How? And yeah, the second part you got.

Point B: How the hell do you figure that?

Point C: Neither of them are trying to rule France themselves, they're attacking Brazil because they're guaranteeing French independence. And yeah, "saved" by Brazil. I'm sure they'll totally see it that way.

Point D: The difference being Russia, while wielding massive influence over other ICC members, isn't outright declaring them part of the Soviet Union. And what the hell does China care about Burma?

Point F: Independence. National pride is a huge factor there. France used to be one of the most powerful nations on Earth. They want that back.

Point A: French rebellion, as much as anything, but there are other examples I could use.

Point B: How the hell do I figure you're not better than everyone else? I'd say concensus.

Point C: They weren't grateful for America's help and long term occupation/"support"? Also, I really think you don't remember the incident I'm talking about. I'll find it and re post it here. It had to do with how I got France in the first place.

Point D: I told you that was a bitchy call to make on semantics, but if you want I can change that; in fact I was going to. It's ironic it comes to this, this is actually what I was going to use the MIO for. Maybe I can salvage this yet...

Point F: France hasn't been "independent" since the European Union came into its own, without that name, of course, in 1957. You said the European Union no longer exists, hence, I think they would be happy to be in another political union. French communists actually are about 2-5% of the population, but I as you have a valid point, I will say that maybe your 60% do want more recognition of their independence (They already have independence). I will make the appropriate change immediately.

Recognizing an actual problem to be solved and not just the KGB who were threatening families in France, as well as several communists kick out of France right now, Emperor de Silva declares the dissolution of the Brazilian Empire. In it's place he reforms the Imperial Union of Independent States of the Earth, more colloquially known as the Imperial States of Earth, or the I.S.E.

(I swear, Jeffrey, this is going out of my way to make this work. I'd rather use nukes, so let this work)

In a grand ceremony, officiated by several religious leaders, with music supplied by the Magnificent International Orchestra, in the National Congress Building and Brasilia Cathedral, Emperor de Silva is declared heriditary Emperor of the new community, the executive of the will of the newly reformed states.

Among his sweeping reforms, Emperor de Silva seprates the old Empire into several sections, to be seperately inducted into the new Union.

Mexico and the Caribbean territories are made one state, and given special trading privilidges with the U.S. They join the union, after their people ratify the constitution and the Emperor's rule with an 85% majority.

South America is divided by regions in a manner that makes sense, rather than the countries that existed before. This leads to about 4 regions, each of which, being very closely tied to the Brazilian Empire, ratify their status in the new I.S.E with a 95% majority.

Spain and Portugal are united into one, as their languages are mutually inteligible, and they also ratify the I.S.E., but by only a 70% majority, as they are more independent minded.

Finally it comes down to France. Brazilian Snipers finish killing the Russian Snipers, with heavy losses. Brazil begins to round up and expose criminals of the Russian attempt at genocide, including those responsible for cold blooded execution of the news men and women who were killed early in the war. They are executed after trials are held.

Imperial troops stand down to allow the country to hold a vote as to whether or not to join the ISE, adding great culture and sophistication in a world that seems consumed by war. (They will, as an independent country.) If the Communists do not stand down, Brazil will take further action. Also, several ISE Carrier Battle Groups surround Cuba, ready to demolish it if neccessary. (Cuba is not a trump card in the western hemisphere Jeff.)