Imperialism

[As far as France is concerned, you don't seem to have noticed that the Soviets and Germans are present in force there. And God dammit I told you the media was not murdered, you're still puppeteering the Commies. The media was slanted towards the Commies, not murdered/blackmailed by them.]

The French Communists decide to attempt to convince Brazil (now the ISE) peacefully that they have independence. They send messages to the Soviets and Germans to stand their ground, which they do, no longer pursuing Brazilian military units but fighting them if firing continues. The French narrowly vote down the proposal to join the ISE, by a 59-41 vote.

The Citizens' French Republic is established as their new government. They send (vaguely) peaceful messages to the ISE to vacate their troops from the country. German and Russian troops are also largely evicted, with a small amount of Soviet troops remaining to safeguard the new Republic from external invasion.

The CFR is quick to vote itself membership into the ICC, by a (presumably fudged) 87-13 percent vote. A minor issue arises over this but is soothed by the new government, which immediately receives much aid from the DDR and USSR and uses the first round of funds to pay for damages caused by the civil war.

As a gesture of goodwill the CFR offers to open trade routes to the ISE, though they receive communications from Premier Sarov that explicitly forbid them from selling Russian military technology. Richter is only slightly more lenient.

The Soviets offer a tidy sum of money to the ISE to show that they bear them no ill will and to pay for losses in the war.

And to top it all off, all ICC countries pretty much set military production to always on, so I don't have to keep posting it, because that's what they've been doing and what France will do as soon as reconstruction is complete.

And also, Cuba asks for and receives another large contingent of Red Navy ships to guard it from the ISE, which it is extremely suspicious of.

The US recognizes the new government of France by a narrow percentage margins of 68-32. The US also sends a request to the new nation to allow the 3rd regiment to continue it's tour.

The CFR grants this request, though rather uneasily.

Russia wonders if the incident with the helicopters has blown over.

The ISE warships declare that if the Red Navy approaches within 5 miles of the ring of ships around Cuba, that not only will the ISE fire upon them, but the entire island of Cuba will be leveled. The ISE navy is here for one reason and one reason only. Neutralization of Cuba. And if Cuba had anything to worry about, they'd already be dead.

(The Media was indeed murdered. The nationalist majority would also not strike down a measure to join the ISE, and would never have joined, let alone accepted help from the ICC. Suck it up. French Communism is truly non-existent, and if anyone in France wanted independence, they most certainly would not join the ICC.)

The ISE trades with France and the French people as it did when France was a part of the Brazilian Empire, only barely acknowledging the CFR as a governing body. No troops are withdrawn from France, instead they are restructured to guard the Brazilian State buildings in France, which remain as ISE property. Several diplomatic parties are sent to France, which include several members of the ISIA. The ISIA begins an investigation into the vote to join the ICC, while the ISE diplomats buy time.

(Due to their ability to retreat to strongholds, and the CFR's ragtag nature, they will be only found on a roll of 20, but will discover incriminating evidence on a roll of 18-20)

The ISE insists that the ICC allow it to foot the bill this time, considering they were generous enought to pay for the cost of the war. The ISE supplies the full cost of damage repair, as well as the manpower to do it. They appear very friendly and helpful to the French people.

The ISE military tech is already superior to the soviets, so that is not an issue. The ISE is also "always on" militarily.

The US apologizes for it's insults to the Russian govt. the helicopters ran out of fuel and had to be abandoned. The hellos were completely destroyed by their crew and the crew themselves had walked back to base.

[its a given that the US is constantly improving and producing military equipment]

President WIN wrote:The ISE military tech is already superior to the soviets, so that is not an issue. The ISE is also "always on" militarily.

[For the sake of not starting bullshit arguments, I'm going to say ICC, ISE, and USA weaponry is all equal in quality, just because nobody's going to back down and nobody's going to win this. Numbers, on the other hand...The Commies have a lot of people. And the Chinese and to a lesser extent the Indians have craptons of them, plus resources from Siberia and existing heavy industry. And before you say "z0mg ur making ur countries invincible HAAAX" there is no such thing as invincibility. There is, however, your inability to figure out how to nullify enemies' advantages.]

The Soviet Union ignores the ISE's threat, but they do send a hefty force of naval craft to just outside the specified distance.

France bars entry to the diplomats under suspicion of being agents of the ISE sent to overthrow the government. In response to the refusal of the remaining Brazilians to withdraw, the CFR brings in additional troops from the DDR to keep these areas under heavy guard. In addition, the French gov't makes several policy changes reflecting those of other Communist nations and a few brazenly contradicting ISE/Brazilian ones. France has officially become a powder keg.

The ICC countries in Europe are advised by Sarov to maintain an extremely high alert status. Nuclear detection and response is on a hair-trigger here, and the Soviet Premier has also advised the French People's Council, their current ruling body, not to act in a way that will openly provoke the ISE.

[i would like to point out that if all equipment is equal, u are rigging the RP as DM by giving the 2 nations with the highest count of numbers in the armed forces, Russia and China, an unrealistic advantage. The US, in reality, has superior tech over any other nation, which is why Chna doesn't send a metric fukton of ppl to invade other countries. Can you see my point?]

The US orders it's ambassador to France to negotiate a trade agreement.

[In reality, which this is not. Russia's first thing that they did was tech up to the Americans' level. And plus if we squabble over whose tech is better we'll NEVER get ANYTHING done. AT ALL. That's my final word on the subject, use strategy goddammit.]

(Could we stop swearing, please? I'd like people to know that when we start to swear we aren't just fucking around. Also, I like the idea that each countries base military is about equal, but can I assume that special military tech, that we specifically research and equip our military with is still allowable? I think inserting more tactics, and less general squabbling is definitely a good idea, provided there's some room for originality. Also, there is such a thing as invincibility, otherwise there would be no word for it. You just mean that you aren't invincible.)

The ISE carrier battlegroups and assorted other ships do not move, except to send some humanitarian aid to Cuba as thanks for allowing the ISE to occupy their waters, and for them being peaceful. Meanwhile, the ISE sends clearly non-military helicopters from the mainlad to resupply the battlegroups, as a test to see how on-edge the soviet ships are.

The ISE points out that its diplomats have perfectly legitimate reasons to be in France, and again petitions for entry by the ISE. They then carefully propagandize the population, pointing out how much sovereignty they've lost to the ICC. The ISE military, which is guarding ISE property in France, makes it a point to be friendly with the French guards who are in turn guarding them. If the guards are hard-core disrespectful in return, video makes its way into the propaganda. The ISE extends nothing but goodwill and ISE membership to the French people.

(Please specify what policy changes have been made. I have the feeling that, if your leadership is as good as you claim, there would be very few policy differences among the major countries right now. Also, what is the DDR? I'm having a hard time keeping track of you acronyms.)

[Deutsche Democratic Republic. And basically fairly normal Communist crap, more like what the Commies had IRL. Their government's not very stable.]

The French begin deciding on who to set up in charge of the gov't. They continue to deny entry by ISE diplomats. For the most part counterpropaganda is successful, given that France has a much greater degree of sovereignty than they previously did.

The Cubans send up fighters to tail the helicopters and begin keeping aerial radars up round the clock. The Soviets keep track of the helicopters in the same way, through fighter tails that break off once in range of ISE AA weaponry.

The US announces the 23rd parallel. Any waring ships/planes/whatever found north of this line will immediately be fired upon without question. Any damaged crafts that wish to seek refuge in an American port/airfield must announce their intentions over a public radio channel and accept the escort of American forces., and obey all instructions given to them by American controllers. Any craft not following the above procedures will be attacked without question.

[By default that's going to be ignored; the 23rd goes through Cuba. Are you saying you attack Cuba for being in a certain location?]

[sorry, keys on keyboards on iPads are kinda close together. Meant the 24th.]

(Again, I ask; what policy changes, and what counter propaganda? Specifics, at least about what you're saying, would certainly help me to counter realisticly. Also, if you don't want to be more specific about policy, that's fine, I'll just use it for more propaganda.)

The ISE declares that it will not recognize, let alone deal with, any leader who is not democratic and fair. They begin a new line of propaganda, featuring the liberties being slowly stripped from the people of France. All ISE propaganda is transmitted word of mouth, through the common people. (Can we/should we resolve propaganda effectiveness through dice rolls? It would be a pain, but it seems the most fair.)

The ISE continues non-violent civil disobiedience of Cuba's territorial waters, so long as no attacks are made on the helicopters. The ISE sends more aid and propaganda (yes, this is standard propaganda, i.e. books, leaflets, videos, magazines, etc.) to Cuba. If fighters ever chooses to brazenly flaunt the radius of the ISE AA, warning shots will be fired.

The ISE supports American Sovereignty, and will not go north of 24 degrees, so long as that is indeed fully above the barricade zone. Also, the ISE assumes that the right of the state of Mexico to maintain peaceful military bases will not be infringed upon?

[Considering France's government is basically the same as the other Communist countries (functionally a benevolent dictatorship) I don't see why propaganda to that effect would do much.]

French President Lucien Hasard takes office, propped up by China, of all countries.

The Cuban police begin to round up and destroy ISE propaganda while Hernandez lodges a formal complaint about ISE's attempts to destabilize his government and bring the country to anarchy.

Most of the nuclear weapons in the ICC's collective arsenal are pointed at various places in the ISE, which they probably have figured out by now.

[territorial boundaries in Mexico will be respected so long as the units their don't venture too far North.]

A large American task force enters the Gulf of Mexico.

Ireland… for However long these events has been going on. Has Built up a Massive extremely prosperous Empire in the Asteroid belt. The Irish Fleet now contains 27 Fine War ships. Over Two Hundred Smaller Fighter craft. And One Thousand Commercial Space craft. The Irish Population has Reproduced at a Rapid rate swelling into the Three Million Mark. The Colonies grew large and many.

Thanks to India's Power Generators which Ireland took. The Irish have had no need to worry about fining a new Fuel source to Power their Craft and Colonies. They were relatively Simple to create. The Irish are always watching Earth, Saddened by the conflict.

Undetected spy satellites search the asteroid belt for whatever they can find. One stumbles across one of the Irish colonies, beams pictures back to earth. The satelitte then fades away and continues its search for resources in the belt.

Hernandez continues to press the ISE to back down and stop their actions aimed at undermining his government and militarily blockading his country.

A Russian airborne transport flies to Havana, bearing some large amount of pork and vodka in addition to raw materials.

(sorry, for some reason I haven't been getting the notifications that people have posted on this forum.)

(If the "benevolent dictatorships" are adopting old-school soviet policies, they are no longer benevolent. Unilateral control was also why you ousted my regime. I'm not going to allow a dictatorship in France, because he's a puppet, and there is no strong French communism, let alone would there be opposition sentiment to Brazil. If it comes to puppeteering, I can only promise that it will be amusing.)

Emperor de Silva makes a rousing speech to some close friends about where the Cuban government can lodge its complaint about ISE policy. (Seriously, who would Hernandez have to formally complain to? The ISE doesn't care, the ICC already knows, and I'm assuming the U.N. has no formal force, if you even choose to allow it to still exist.)

The ISE also comments that it is not militarily blockading the country, or else it would have destroyed the airborn transport, which it did not do, after a quick check to verify that it contained only pork, vodka, and raw materials. The ISE took appropriate precautions.

The ISE continues sending propaganda with humanitarian aid. They attempt various forms of communication with the Lost Irish.

[Benevolent dictatorships everywhere but France, where the revolutionary spirit is high and the country is in a more-or-less controlled anarchy. Hasarde will change that as soon as possible. And for Christ's sake, you've pretty much lost France. You can claim whatever you want, but France isn't going to listen and they'll bring the Soviets down on your head if you fight them. Among others.]

Hasarde begins subtly changing the French gov't to be less of an old-school tyrannical dictatorship and more of the politically-correct Communism that seems to define the USSR and others.

Sarov celebrates his 81st birthday.

The Soviet Union shortly afterward celebrates the Patriot Days, a three-day holiday in October celebrating the 1917 and 2013 revolutions.


[Also, exactly how would you check the plane's cargo en route? All you'd have to go off of is what the pilot tells you. And he could be lying like a rug.]

The US congratulates Sarov on living for so long, even with the KGB in his back yard all the time. The US calls for a vote in NATO for a desicion on how to deal with the Soviets and the ISE. The US also offers a summit between the 3 countries in DC.

The ISE would enjoy a nice summit.

The ISE also questions what NATO you are refering to, as 23 of the 28 member countries of NATO, as of 2011, are now ICC (by Jeffrey's word), and the remaining ones are Spain (ISE) the U.S., Canada, the U.K., and ICeland. Why didn't the U.S. defend the 23 nations?

(How the hell do you think I got checked the plane, Jeffrey? I forced him to land on a carrier, and assuming YOU weren't lying, he did so, and I checked his cargo. Or, he refused, because you were lying, and I shot him down, and then showed the world whatever weaponry was on board as proof of rightful action on my part. Also, message about France forthcoming.)

(Jeffrey, for the last time, your claims are inane. You seem to think that you have actually acted in the interest of these countries. The simple truth is, not every NPC's personal goals are going to be the same as those of the ICC. I'll point the fallacies in your logic one last time.)

(French Communism is almost non-existent, now and later. It was the French Nationalist party that was in support of "independence" (which again, they didn't need, but they got it.) I'm taking France back, because I bent over backwards to meet your demands for illogical independence.)

(I disproved your assertion that they would seek independence just because they had lost prestige, and when I admitted that they might want more recognition of just how much freedom they had, because they did indeed lose prestige, and restructured my gov't as such, you decided you could get away with whatever you wanted. You cannot be illogical. And I swear to god, if you insist on making a mockery of this RP, I will replace you as DM.)

(By the way, calling me juvenile or immature at this point is not going to work. It is you that is in that position. To do so would rather be like calling me rascist: Neither of them are true, and everyone knows that, so neither of them will bother me. I give you until I get on again to respond, then we talk, then I enact the changes neccessary. Good? Nice to hear it.)